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Q&A: Kunio Sebata
The President and CEO of the $3.8-billion Hitachi Home and Life Solutions Inc tells BT Online about what it's like to operate independently in India, the company's past relationship with the Lalbhai Group in the air-conditioner market, its faith in joint ventures and its current plans for India.


Q&A: Eran Gartner
As Vice President (Operations), Bombardier Transportation, Eran Gartner, outlines what would make his company such a hot pick to build Bangalore's mass transit system. It isn't just about creating a network and vanishing, he claims, it's also about transferring modern technology to the local operations.

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Build IP, Not BP
Can we build successful businesses with our own intellectual property?

Another day, another seminar. There is lively debate on such issues as "Did NASSCOM rename phone operations as it-enabled Services?" (to get tax concessions for this admittedly non-tech sector) and "Whether it services are just a subset of the BPO sector" (a gent from a consulting house insists it is, and refers to his complex diagram of The Way The World Works). All very, yawn, interesting.

The questions come, and the aforementioned gent is asked what it will take to play in the BPO space. (My teeth grit every time I hear 'sector' or 'space'. I can't imagine asking my doctor friend, ''How are things in the gynaecological space?'' Or my cook: ''What's up in the near-term nourishment sector?'')

   
   

The consultant answers, quite assuredly, that you'd need at least Rs 25 crore to be a player. Many entrepreneurial dreams are heard crashing in the background. He's then asked what one would value a BPO firm at. He says US outsourcing firms are now valued at 0.25 times revenues. I overhear a sharp intake of breath. So even if that firm with a Rs 25-crore investment were to make Rs 100 crore in a few years time, it would still be valued at Rs 25 crore. Not good news for the investors, I'd imagine. The dreams that haven't yet died, slowly curl up and do so. Mr. Block Diagram also agrees with me that the Wipro-Spectramind deal was like the Sify-Indiaworld thing. Irrational exuberance at the peak of the market, not likely to be seen again.

Then the plaintive questions come-so what should we look at doing? What should India aim for, if the vision of millions of headset Hamsinis is more a mirage than reality? Amidst the talk of higher-value outsourced services, which are annoyingly undefined, comes a simple idea. Can we build intellectual property, instead of business processes? IP instead of BP?

Can we look at research from our iits (Indian Institute of Technology), CCMBs (Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology), CSIRs (The Council for Scientific and Industrial Research) and IISCs (Indian Institute of Science), and see if these don't just remain academic theses? Can this work do more than just propel its author to an assistanceship at a US university?

I've seen enough to believe that a lot of it is world-class work, and a reasonable part is commercialisable. In the last year alone, I have seen modules that can control robots to become interactive toys for kids, low-cost chips that can 'understand' images, software that can predict a credit card holder's buying patterns, even a better coconut de-husker. All products of Indian minds based in India.

What would it cost to create a commercially viable enterprise to take these ideas to market? I would venture somewhere between Rs 25 lakh and 150 lakh each. About 20 times less than a BPO operation. That given, what can one expect from such a business?

Well, let's assume you have a reasonable technology lead and protection from early parity-whether your work is patentable or not. (While I'm all for IP-based businesses, I don't see patents doing very much to stop a company that wants to rip you off-ask American drug companies about Indian firms, for instance.)

I'd say that initial investment should be able to see you get to a revenue size of about Rs 5-10 crore at 30 per cent profitability in a few years, again assuming you market well. There's a risk you may shut down-just as there's a risk your BPO business won't take off.

If you survive, your IP-based firm's valuation will be somewhere between 5x and 20x of profits-so you'd end up worth between Rs 5 crore and Rs 60 crore. Let's say Rs 25 crore, which might seem the same as that BPO firm. But this is on an investment of Rs 1 crore or so. So the investor, whether he owns a 20 per cent or a 100 per cent stake, will make out like gangbusters. As will the employees, who I hope have some of the equity. Further, I can imagine the glee of today's graduates to NOT work at a dead-end call centre job. It's likely to be more fun building a global success from a local innovation.

So why is nasscom rushing to brand India as the world's back-office? That's because the big guys who fund them want that business. If you're interested in an IP-based business, you're not likely to get too much support from the establishment. But that should be the least of your worries. Bash on regardless, ASAP.


Mahesh Murthy, an angel investor, heads Passionfund. He earlier ran Channel V and, before that, helped launch Yahoo! and Amazon at a Valley-based interactive marketing firm. Reach him at Mahesh@passionfund.com.

 

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